Released players!

Oufc2009 · Post by **Oufc2009** » Tue May 10, 2011 8:37 am

http://www.oufc.co.uk/page/News/0,,1034 ... 46,00.html

Quite suprised after Jimmy's performance at accrington that he has gone, he did look useful

John Byrne's Underpants · Tue May 10, 2011 8:51 am

Disappointed but not surprised about Sangare. I mean, he made our defence look better and transformed Wright when playing with him. Why would Wilder keep him??? I only hope he has someone better in mind.

The others aren't a huge surprise either. I never really got the point of signing Doble as he was never likely to be a long term prospect for us. Not too upset if that's the last we've seen of Maclean either.

Ancient Colin · Post by **Ancient Colin** » Tue May 10, 2011 8:58 am

What's the situation with Burge and Hackney, have they gone too? And with Woodley and Marsh, I never really grasp how the youth contracts work.

recordmeister · Post by **recordmeister** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:51 am

We need better players to finish in a better league position and challenge for promotion. I'm trusting Wilder will bring in better players than the ones he is letting go, until a league position worse than the season before shows that CW is getting wrong.

So far, he has progressed us (therefore improved us) with each season and for that, you have to put your trust in him...

JoeyBeauchamp · Post by **JoeyBeauchamp** » Tue May 10, 2011 9:52 am

Do we think that does mean we are not signing Maclean? I'm sure Plymouith will be desperate to get rid given their financial situation, but I either hope he joins us after taking a massive wage cut or goes somewhere else. Talented player, but not really suited to the hussle and bustle of L2 and does not score enough goals.

As far as I know Hackney has been released - not sure about Burge. He'd be a good one to sign up.

Dr Bob · Post by **Dr Bob** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:01 am

Burge was recalled by Donny a few weeks ago.
http://www.doncaster.vitalfootball.co.u ... p?a=239152

Baboo · Post by **Baboo** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:20 am

&quotJoeyBeauchamp&quot wrote:I either hope he joins us after taking a massive wage cut or goes somewhere else. Talented player, but not really suited to the hussle and bustle of L2 and does not score enough goals.
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He didn't seem the most motivated of players as is was. Try and picture how he would perform after taking a wage cut. No thanks.

JoeyBeauchamp · Post by **JoeyBeauchamp** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:25 am

&quotDr Bob&quot wrote:Burge was recalled by Donny a few weeks ago.
http://www.doncaster.vitalfootball.co.u ... p?a=239152

Ah, right. I thought he wa recalled for 'assessment' and then would be given back to us or not, as the case may be. Shame.

Mooro · Post by **Mooro** » Tue May 10, 2011 11:57 am

&quotAncient Colin&quot wrote:What's the situation with Burge and Hackney, have they gone too? And with Woodley and Marsh, I never really grasp how the youth contracts work.

I've been quite out of touch on the youth side for the last year or so, but the basic situation is that they spend 2 years in the youth squad, then the lucky (very) few that get offered something are normally offered a one year (or even 3/6 month) pro deal. In the last couple of years, some of the 2nd year scholars spend at least some time on loan at other local clubs, which gives them some experience of the senior game, while also giving them a potential outlet should they not get a pro deal at OUFC.

From memory Woodley was offered longer on his 17th birthday as other clubs were sniffing around, which I think includes next season.
Marsh, I think, is still a 1st year scholar, so no decision needed on him.
Second years waiting nervously are, I think, keeper Nathan Silver, defenders Henry Owen &amp Sam Parish, midfielders Jamie Connor &amp Dan West and the delightfully named winger Conor Mcdonagh.

I'm making a few enquiries, and will post up any more definate info I have on this front....

Joey's Toe · Post by **Joey's Toe** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:05 pm

I know Wilder's approach is to constantly evolve and not allow players to get settled or complacent, but it's hugely disappointing when clearly able players are being released or listed.

From the ones mentioned on the website, I would say that all of them bar Hanson have something to offer at this level:

- Deering's already shown what he can do by kick-starting Barnet's season (if their forum is any barometer).
- There are debates about Midson, but he's shown he can score in this league, which is no mean feat (isn't that right, Eric Bloody Sabin?).
- Matt Green gives us an option, and you only have to remember his goal at Wembley to see what he's capable of doing.
- Clist is - I'll say it until I'm blue in the face - the best passer of the ball in that squad.
- Purkiss is good cover, and warrants a place in the squad.
- Sangare was someone I didn't see, but reports suggest he also deserves a good go.

There's evolution, and there's stubbornly releasing players who have fallen foul of the manager's fickle favour, despite evidence that they can offer something to the club.

Very disappointed.

Brahma Bull · Post by **Brahma Bull** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:43 pm

I am more than happy with those released and made available for transfer. It's all about opinions.

The quartet aren't good enough. If we want to improve, we need better players. They no doubt are able at Conference and mid-table of L2 level but they aren't good enough to challenge for promotion, let alone play in L1.

Deering is the one I am glad we've told to find another club. The guy just lets people down. I am pleased he has done well at Barnet, who struggle at the foot of L2 most seasons. Not good enough for us moving forward is my view.

The same applies to Clist, Green, Purkiss and Kinni.

I trust Wilder to bring in some quality replacements, players who have more experience, quality and the ability to move our club forward.

Wilder hasn't made that many errors on the playing front - I refer to the players he has let go and those who then subsequently came in to replace them (with the possible exceptions of Creighton and Bulman - who still wouldn't be good enough to get us out of this division).

BigCrompy · Post by **BigCrompy** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:52 pm

&quotBrahma Bull&quot wrote:I am more than happy with those released and made available for transfer. It's all about opinions.

The quartet aren't good enough. If we want to improve, we need better players. They no doubt are able at Conference and mid-table of L2 level but they aren't good enough to challenge for promotion, let alone play in L1.

Deering is the one I am glad we've told to find another club. The guy just lets people down. I am pleased he has done well at Barnet, who struggle at the foot of L2 most seasons. Not good enough for us moving forward is my view.

The same applies to Clist, Green, Purkiss and Kinni.

I trust Wilder to bring in some quality replacements, players who have more experience, quality and the ability to move our club forward.

Wilder hasn't made that many errors on the playing front - I refer to the players he has let go and those who then subsequently came in to replace them (with the possible exceptions of Creighton and Bulman - who still wouldn't be good enough to get us out of this division).

I can't decide what I think about this.

Whilst I can't knock progress, the fact remains that Wilder also signed MOST of those he is letting go, some of them less than a year ago.

So what does this mean?

That he's not such a good judge of player, that they weren't as good as he believed? That he cannot motivate, coach or improve them? Or that they all simply failed to live up to their potential?

I certainly contend that clubs are dynamic, and it may only have been possible to sign those players willing to take a gamble on a club that wasn't established back in the league 9 months ago, and a season of stability may lend to having better players consider us now. I accept that the best of all possible players will force their way into the team, and make themselves undroppable.

But...wouldn't everyone agree, to sign a player and then let him go no time later is a double-edged sword?

recordmeister · Post by **recordmeister** » Tue May 10, 2011 3:17 pm

&quotJoey's Toe&quot wrote:I know Wilder's approach is to constantly evolve and not allow players to get settled or complacent, but it's hugely disappointing when clearly able players are being released or listed.

If they are clearly able, to quote, why are we not in a play-off or automatic promotion position.

Clearly, that makes then not able...

They are clearly able to get us to mid-table, but not any further. The scoreboard doesn't show pictures, as the old adage goes. And neither does the league table. We're a midtable team and that needs improving on.

recordmeister · Post by **recordmeister** » Tue May 10, 2011 3:20 pm

&quotBrahma Bull&quot wrote:I am more than happy with those released and made available for transfer. It's all about opinions.

The quartet aren't good enough. If we want to improve, we need better players. They no doubt are able at Conference and mid-table of L2 level but they aren't good enough to challenge for promotion, let alone play in L1.

Deering is the one I am glad we've told to find another club. The guy just lets people down. I am pleased he has done well at Barnet, who struggle at the foot of L2 most seasons. Not good enough for us moving forward is my view.

The same applies to Clist, Green, Purkiss and Kinni.

I trust Wilder to bring in some quality replacements, players who have more experience, quality and the ability to move our club forward.

Wilder hasn't made that many errors on the playing front - I refer to the players he has let go and those who then subsequently came in to replace them (with the possible exceptions of Creighton and Bulman - who still wouldn't be good enough to get us out of this division).

I agree with all of this. And then you go and let your self down by not mentioning Ben Futcher, possibly the biggest heap of stinking poo in an Oxford shirt this season...

JoeyBeauchamp · Post by **JoeyBeauchamp** » Tue May 10, 2011 3:27 pm

&quotJoey's Toe&quot wrote:
- Deering - good player, terrible attitute (allegedly)
- Midson - average, Torquay notwithstanding. 0 goals for Barnet
- Matt Green gives you almost no option, although a Stockport-supporting colleague says he looked superb for the 10 minutes he was given on Saturday. One goal for Cheltenham though.
- Clist - the one in the list I would prefer to keep, always gave 100%
- Purkiss is good cover, but not good enough to challenge.
- Sangare - bit of a mystery but Wuilder sees him day in day out in training.

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