Torquay will sell Green but at a price...

[GodalmingYellow]

(Puts on Devil's Advocate robes)....is Matt Green a L2 player ?

Just stripping out the euphoria of the goals against Rushden and York - what do we think ?

I need to be a bit careful because GY got crucified for taking a position on Jake Wright - all I'm doing is asking a question !

I think that's a perfectly valid question to ask, especially as we'd have to pay some sort of (albeit probably small) fee for him. He's got a decent goals to games ratio though and there isn't too much of a step up in quality in reality I'm sure. Plus he has played a big part in getting us there and team spirit is a factor to consider - the team looked to have bonded during the run in as shown at the parade!

The thing with GY and Wright is not that he took a stance about him early on, or questioned the logic of signing him, which he was perfectly entitled to do. What I found amusing/irritating was how reluctant he was to budge even when JW demonstrated game after game that he is probably the best defender we've had at the club in years, pointing out errors few others saw and, complaining about him following MOTM performances. Like signing Beano was last summer, in my opinion keeping Wright should be no.1 priority for CW.

What you mean is that in your opinion Jake Wright demonstrated... And in mine over the same period he did not. Just because one or two on here shout louder than the rest, you shouldn't take their views as being fact.

I don't see why us disagreeing should irritate you so. Different opinions are allowed you know.

Wright improved the longer he was with us, and if you read Chris Wilder's comments on Wright, you'll find he is pretty much verbatim with the things I wrote. Wright found it hard to begin with, progressed slowly for the first few games and then when Creighton returned to the starting line up, they developed a reasonable partnership.

As for Wright being the best defender the club has had for years, then I'm afraid you are going to get irritated again. He is at best a reasonable League 2 player, with good on the ball skills, but makes too many mistakes to be claased any higher. See my comments on his mistakes in the play off final on the other thread, but make sure you take your pills first, we don't want any anger induced heart attacks on here.

[deanwindass]

Wright improved the longer he was with us, and if you read Chris Wilder's comments on Wright, you'll find he is pretty much verbatim with the things I wrote. Wright found it hard to begin with, progressed slowly for the first few games and then when Creighton returned to the starting line up, they developed a reasonable partnership.

As for Wright being the best defender the club has had for years, then I'm afraid you are going to get irritated again. He is at best a reasonable League 2 player, with good on the ball skills, but makes too many mistakes to be claased any higher. See my comments on his mistakes in the play off final on the other thread, but make sure you take your pills first, we don't want any anger induced heart attacks on here.

&quotWright was woeful&quot &quotwhen I said he was woeful, I was being generous...&quot &quotI wish Jake Wright was a better player as OUFC would benefit from that&quot

I don't think I have ever heard CW say anything like that about him. Maybe I hadn't made it back to the car in time to catch that interview.

He undoubtedly got better over time, as many players do as they settle in. My point was that he has developed into one of our star performers and that this was something that you have seemed extremely reluctant to acknowledge: constantly pointing out minor errors and over looking his overall performance and contribution.

Just out of interest, who do you think we've had that's been as solid, say, in the last 5 years? Even based on your, in my opinion, conservative assessment (I think he'd look extremely good at L2 level), a 'reasonable L2 player' is probably right up there wouldn't you say?

[GodalmingYellow]

Wright improved the longer he was with us, and if you read Chris Wilder's comments on Wright, you'll find he is pretty much verbatim with the things I wrote. Wright found it hard to begin with, progressed slowly for the first few games and then when Creighton returned to the starting line up, they developed a reasonable partnership.

As for Wright being the best defender the club has had for years, then I'm afraid you are going to get irritated again. He is at best a reasonable League 2 player, with good on the ball skills, but makes too many mistakes to be claased any higher. See my comments on his mistakes in the play off final on the other thread, but make sure you take your pills first, we don't want any anger induced heart attacks on here.

&quotWright was woeful&quot &quotwhen I said he was woeful, I was being generous...&quot &quotI wish Jake Wright was a better player as OUFC would benefit from that&quot

I don't think I have ever heard CW say anything like that about him. Maybe I hadn't made it back to the car in time to catch that interview.

He undoubtedly got better over time, as many players do as they settle in. My point was that he has developed into one of our star performers and that this was something that you have seemed extremely reluctant to acknowledge: constantly pointing out minor errors and over looking his overall performance and contribution.

Just out of interest, who do you think we've had that's been as solid, say, in the last 5 years? Even based on your, in my opinion, conservative assessment (I think he'd look extremely good at L2 level), a 'reasonable L2 player' is probably right up there wouldn't you say?

Same old nonsense.

You really must get out of this habit of confusing your opinion with fact. It's a very funny trait. Makes me laugh anyway.

[deanwindass]

Wright improved the longer he was with us, and if you read Chris Wilder's comments on Wright, you'll find he is pretty much verbatim with the things I wrote. Wright found it hard to begin with, progressed slowly for the first few games and then when Creighton returned to the starting line up, they developed a reasonable partnership.

As for Wright being the best defender the club has had for years, then I'm afraid you are going to get irritated again. He is at best a reasonable League 2 player, with good on the ball skills, but makes too many mistakes to be claased any higher. See my comments on his mistakes in the play off final on the other thread, but make sure you take your pills first, we don't want any anger induced heart attacks on here.

&quotWright was woeful&quot &quotwhen I said he was woeful, I was being generous...&quot &quotI wish Jake Wright was a better player as OUFC would benefit from that&quot

I don't think I have ever heard CW say anything like that about him. Maybe I hadn't made it back to the car in time to catch that interview.

He undoubtedly got better over time, as many players do as they settle in. My point was that he has developed into one of our star performers and that this was something that you have seemed extremely reluctant to acknowledge: constantly pointing out minor errors and over looking his overall performance and contribution.

Just out of interest, who do you think we've had that's been as solid, say, in the last 5 years? Even based on your, in my opinion, conservative assessment (I think he'd look extremely good at L2 level), a 'reasonable L2 player' is probably right up there wouldn't you say?

Same old nonsense.

You really must get out of this habit of confusing your opinion with fact. It's a very funny trait. Makes me laugh anyway.

It's not nonsense! That is what you said, verbatim, on previous threads. You can look for yourself.

I am seriously asking - who do you think we've had that has consistently looked as solid and natural a centre back as Wright, in the last 5 years? Gilly second time? Wilmott? Corcoran? Quinn? Foster? Gnohere?

[JoeyBeauchamp]

Gnohere, without a doubt. Sheer class

[theox]

Gnohere, without a doubt. Sheer class

Brilliant! the memory of that chap has given me a good laugh!!

[GodalmingYellow]

&quotWright was woeful&quot &quotwhen I said he was woeful, I was being generous...&quot &quotI wish Jake Wright was a better player as OUFC would benefit from that&quot

I don't think I have ever heard CW say anything like that about him. Maybe I hadn't made it back to the car in time to catch that interview.

He undoubtedly got better over time, as many players do as they settle in. My point was that he has developed into one of our star performers and that this was something that you have seemed extremely reluctant to acknowledge: constantly pointing out minor errors and over looking his overall performance and contribution.

Just out of interest, who do you think we've had that's been as solid, say, in the last 5 years? Even based on your, in my opinion, conservative assessment (I think he'd look extremely good at L2 level), a 'reasonable L2 player' is probably right up there wouldn't you say?

Same old nonsense.

You really must get out of this habit of confusing your opinion with fact. It's a very funny trait. Makes me laugh anyway.

It's not nonsense! That is what you said, verbatim, on previous threads. You can look for yourself.

I am seriously asking - who do you think we've had that has consistently looked as solid and natural a centre back as Wright, in the last 5 years? Gilly second time? Wilmott? Corcoran? Quinn? Foster? Gnohere?

As I said, same old nonsense.

You can't pick a few words and quote me, then say Wilder hasn't used exactly the same words and claim that disproves what I have said. That's called twisting the argument to suit yourself. Wilder is never going to use the same phraseology that an independant support can. Wilder has a job to do to keep players happy, to manage them and getthe best out of them. I, on the other hand have no such restriction.

The fact is that in essence you described Wright as being the dogs bollocks and stated it ias fact, claiming idiocy on anyone who deigned to disagree. I said in essence that in my opinion, Wright was playing poorly in those same early games and he improved as he played more matches and after Creighton came back into the line up. Wilder has in essence said the same thing that Wright struggled to begin with and then got better.

Now I know you it irritates you and you don't like it much when people disagree with you, but please please please don't try to pull the wool over people's eyes, because most on here will just see through it.

[Hog]

Just because one or two on here shout louder than the rest, you shouldn't take their views as being fact.

That's good. VERY good!!!!

[GodalmingYellow]

Just because one or two on here shout louder than the rest, you shouldn't take their views as being fact.

That's good. VERY good!!!!

Are you saying I'm noisy Hog?

[deanwindass]

As I said, same old nonsense.

You can't pick a few words and quote me, then say Wilder hasn't used exactly the same words and claim that disproves what I have said. That's called twisting the argument to suit yourself. Wilder is never going to use the same phraseology that an independant support can. Wilder has a job to do to keep players happy, to manage them and getthe best out of them. I, on the other hand have no such restriction.

The fact is that in essence you described Wright as being the dogs bollocks and stated it ias fact, claiming idiocy on anyone who deigned to disagree. I said in essence that in my opinion, Wright was playing poorly in those same early games and he improved as he played more matches and after Creighton came back into the line up. Wilder has in essence said the same thing that Wright struggled to begin with and then got better.

Now I know you it irritates you and you don't like it much when people disagree with you, but please please please don't try to pull the wool over people's eyes, because most on here will just see through it.

That's what verbatim (your word not mine) means though isn't it? I think what you now state to be the 'essence' of what you said appears to be rather more measured than what you actually said at the time (which I quoted above), which is what I was referring to.

I do think that Wright is the dogs bollocks though you're right.

You're yet to provide any rival candidates for most solid and natural centre back in the last 5 years?

Brilliant! the memory of that chap has given me a good laugh!!

Do you remember that ridiculous penalty he gave away for handball?! It came in from a corner and he just slapped it. Total donkey.

[theox]

Was that the Aldershot game?! Dear oh dear!

I see he plays in Switzerland now. Perhaps Swiss Yellow could enlighten us regarding the qualities of FC Bulle............

[GodalmingYellow]

As I said, same old nonsense.

You can't pick a few words and quote me, then say Wilder hasn't used exactly the same words and claim that disproves what I have said. That's called twisting the argument to suit yourself. Wilder is never going to use the same phraseology that an independant support can. Wilder has a job to do to keep players happy, to manage them and getthe best out of them. I, on the other hand have no such restriction.

The fact is that in essence you described Wright as being the dogs bollocks and stated it ias fact, claiming idiocy on anyone who deigned to disagree. I said in essence that in my opinion, Wright was playing poorly in those same early games and he improved as he played more matches and after Creighton came back into the line up. Wilder has in essence said the same thing that Wright struggled to begin with and then got better.

Now I know you it irritates you and you don't like it much when people disagree with you, but please please please don't try to pull the wool over people's eyes, because most on here will just see through it.

That's what verbatim (your word not mine) means though isn't it? I think what you now state to be the 'essence' of what you said appears to be rather more measured than what you actually said at the time (which I quoted above), which is what I was referring to.

I do think that Wright is the dogs bollocks though you're right.

You're yet to provide any rival candidates for most solid and natural centre back in the last 5 years?

Brilliant! the memory of that chap has given me a good laugh!!

Do you remember that ridiculous penalty he gave away for handball?! It came in from a corner and he just slapped it. Total donkey.

What I wrote was very clear and now you're squirming.

Fact is that Wright was rubbish to begin with, as I said all along and you disagreed with, and now he is average. and that is to all intents and purposes what I said and what Wilder said, and explicitly not what you said.

I note you still haven't pionted out quite what Wright was doing in the play off final at the points I have highlighted for you.

Feel free to squirm some more. It's very funny watching.

[tomoufc]

As I said, same old nonsense.

You can't pick a few words and quote me, then say Wilder hasn't used exactly the same words and claim that disproves what I have said. That's called twisting the argument to suit yourself. Wilder is never going to use the same phraseology that an independant support can. Wilder has a job to do to keep players happy, to manage them and getthe best out of them. I, on the other hand have no such restriction.

The fact is that in essence you described Wright as being the dogs bollocks and stated it ias fact, claiming idiocy on anyone who deigned to disagree. I said in essence that in my opinion, Wright was playing poorly in those same early games and he improved as he played more matches and after Creighton came back into the line up. Wilder has in essence said the same thing that Wright struggled to begin with and then got better.

Now I know you it irritates you and you don't like it much when people disagree with you, but please please please don't try to pull the wool over people's eyes, because most on here will just see through it.

That's what verbatim (your word not mine) means though isn't it? I think what you now state to be the 'essence' of what you said appears to be rather more measured than what you actually said at the time (which I quoted above), which is what I was referring to.

I do think that Wright is the dogs bollocks though you're right.

You're yet to provide any rival candidates for most solid and natural centre back in the last 5 years?

Brilliant! the memory of that chap has given me a good laugh!!

Do you remember that ridiculous penalty he gave away for handball?! It came in from a corner and he just slapped it. Total donkey.

What I wrote was very clear and now you're squirming.

Fact is that Wright was rubbish to begin with, as I said all along and you disagreed with, and now he is average. and that is to all intents and purposes what I said and what Wilder said, and explicitly not what you said.

I note you still haven't pionted out quite what Wright was doing in the play off final at the points I have highlighted for you.

Feel free to squirm some more. It's very funny watching.

You're off your rockers.

[pair]

Fact is that Wright was rubbish to begin with, as I said all along and you disagreed with, and now he is average.

Nothing factual about this. I fail to believe you've been watching the same player.

Alongside Chapman, I think he was the best player on the pitch at Wembley (other than one obvious error). That Rankin and Brodie were quiet all afternoon speaks volumes.

Signing Wright should be a key objective - Easily good enough for L2, and I think his class will really show against more footballing sides, where Creighton/Day may get caught out.