Pompey

[Paul Cooper]

Pro-Wilder lobby...anything to add?

(PS. Not though I'm anti-Wilder, I just want to hear your views now the wheels may be off.

I think that the vast majority of supporters are not in a pro Wilder, anti Wilder camp. They just want the club to be successful and can see the good and bad. We have a terrible home record but fortunately our fantastic away record is better than the poor home one is bad- and we are in the play offs. probably about where we deserve to be (on the basis that the table is normally right).

[ty cobb]

I think given the injuries we've had and the very weak bench demonstrating lack of squad depth getting to the play offs and third round of the FA cup is still pretty good going.

However, having been on Sat I can quite understand why fans who don't travel are fed up. Football is a simple game, take a team who are happy with a draw and therefore pack the defence, pair against a team who play with 5 defenders on the field in a 4-5-1 formation and what do you get. A snore bore 0-0.

What Beano has done to get dropped is beyond me - despite being far and away our top scorer this season we stick him on the bench against a very poor team and then instead of going to two up top when he comes on we stay as we are and leave the striker isolated. What annoyed me most was Wilder was clearly happy with the draw as he didn't really change anything.

Mind you just as well it was 0-0 a goal by either team would have lead to it kicking off in the North Stand, with a lack of netting it wouldn't really have taken much for the idiots who spent the last 20 minutes gesturing to the Pompy fans to take things a step further as many of them were trying to do after the match.

[SWA]

Not wanting to score a winning goal in case it "kicks off"?
Bit of a strange comment there ty cobb!

[slappy]

I thought that was a vast improvement over the previous two games.

As has been said, "the final third" wasn't there. But I thought the players put the effort in and we dominated a side who at the start of the season we'd have been glad to take four points from the two fixtures.

I think it was important to stop the rot of a potential three straight home defeats which really would have had the wolves at the door. So not losing was perhaps more important for the team psychologically, than not picking up all three points.

I've been convinced all year that the focus on strength and conditioning will see us do well in the second half of the season, when other teams are picking up injuries, or players are tiring second half in the match.

So onward and upward, on our charge back into the auto promotion spots!

[Mooro]

Not wanting to score a winning goal in case it "kicks off"?
Bit of a strange comment there ty cobb!

Not quite what he said was it?
Surely just a comment on the potential opportunity allowed for idiots to be idiotic rather than a comment on the motivations of either set of players.....

[Kernow Yellow]

Pro-Wilder lobby...anything to add?

(PS. Not though I'm anti-Wilder, I just want to hear your views now the wheels may be off.

Blimey Dan, you used to be so much better than this kind of nonsense. I think even the 15 year olds on Yellows Forum have stopped using such terminology.

Who is this 'pro-Wilder lobby'? Who are they lobbying? How do they go about it? Are you suggesting that anyone who doesn't want Wilder sacked is in this lobby? Or does one have to do something else to join? Was being happy that we were top of the league enough to make me a member? I don't understand.

I'm pro-Oxford United. Whoever our manager is. I have opinions about how the team are doing at the moment, and this impacts on my opinion about how the manager is doing. I'd like to think I'm able to articulate both of these sets of opinions without feeling the need to worry about whether I'm pro- or anti- Wilder (or anyone else).

You'll be revisiting your usual straw man who talks about messiahs next (no-one does except you by the way).

[SmileyMan]

A sad byproduct of the digital age is the rise of the binary argument.

[SWA]

Great post Kernow Yellow ^^^^^^
This is not Politics, there are no "lobbies" or "straw polls" IMO

[Ancient Colin]

Yeah but, yeah but ... it wasn't so long ago that certain people on this Forum were questioning the sanity of those criticising the management and contemplating the benefits of change: "anyone who wants wilder to go now is, in my humble opinion, nuts." or "I'd be amazed if the manager leaving brought about anything but a decline in on-field performances" are two examples without looking remotely hard. So it isn't an altogether unreasonable question.

[YF Dan]

Pro-Wilder lobby...anything to add?

(PS. Not though I'm anti-Wilder, I just want to hear your views now the wheels may be off.

Blimey Dan, you used to be so much better than this kind of nonsense. I think even the 15 year olds on Yellows Forum have stopped using such terminology.

Who is this 'pro-Wilder lobby'? Who are they lobbying? How do they go about it? Are you suggesting that anyone who doesn't want Wilder sacked is in this lobby? Or does one have to do something else to join? Was being happy that we were top of the league enough to make me a member? I don't understand.

I'm pro-Oxford United. Whoever our manager is. I have opinions about how the team are doing at the moment, and this impacts on my opinion about how the manager is doing. I'd like to think I'm able to articulate both of these sets of opinions without feeling the need to worry about whether I'm pro- or anti- Wilder (or anyone else).

You'll be revisiting your usual straw man who talks about messiahs next (no-one does except you by the way).

A rather ridiculous post KY, if you don't mind me saying. Do come down off your high horse.

Are you denying that Chris Wilder polarises opinions amongst many Oxford fans?

What's the title of this thread?: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5117

Throughout this season I have remained totally true to my position, which is of Wilder neutrality. I thought he should have gone at the end of last year, but I was pleased that he and IL identified areas and ways to improve, and I want it to work out for him now. I've stuck to this view when we were top, and I've stuck to it when we were dropping points at home on a seemingly fortnightly basis.

On the face of it we are having our annual blip under Wilder. Suddenly, from being top of the table, we could be out of the play-offs come 5pm on Saturday, and with a big gap between us and the automatic promotion spots. This should concern people. We have lots of previous.

Let's not forget a few weeks ago, many were declaring the strength of their desire to see Wilder stay when the Portsmouth job came up. Would this be so true now?

[Kernow Yellow]

Yeah, well I got a bit carried away, but I still don't understand the point of your original post (which seemed to be saying something along the lines of "Come on Wilder lovers, what have you got to say for yourselves now?" - the kind of forum contribution you used to satirise in your once-great organ.

And I don't agree that Wilder polarises opinion. A vocal few want him gone at any cost, however well we're doing at the time - which is just obviously perverse. Most people I think are pretty frustrated by the way we play at home and our current run of league results, but hope (rather than believe) that we'll either turn it round or maintain a promotion push regardless. You yourself seem to be in that camp. Who is this 'pro-wilder lobby' that you imply wants something more for him than just to be successful at OUFC? Are you saying that there are some people who are happy even when we fail because we've still got Wilder as our manager? Is that the kind of response you were seeking from your post?

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that if the slump continues to the extent that it looks likely we won't even make the play-offs again, then we should probably try someone else. And failure to make the play-offs should almost certainly result in a change of manager at the end of the season. But I hope we can use a positive performance at Charlton to help us continue the frankly remarkable away form, and another decent cup showing next Tuesday could help us to kick on at home too. If only more OUFC fans actually had some enthusiasm for the tie!

[ty cobb]

1 April 2013. This is the last time we lost away in the league. Maybe we're only in a slump because we haven't had an away game of late!

[A-Ro]

1 April 2013. This is the last time we lost away in the league. Maybe we're only in a slump because we haven't had an away game of late!

Well thank you for jinxing Saturday's game.