Having been away for the weekend I missed the game and the rant but having listened to it I agree with him there has been a creeping sense of moaning not least on this board in the last couple of weeks - quotes below. We are 8 points clear if we win our game in hand. Fantastic stuff and I totally agree with him, enjoy it and stop picking holes in what has been a table topping team and formation. There were boos at Crawley at half time and I can't believe there were boos at the end against Ebbsfleet after getting four goals.
"I wouldn't say that winning only 2 from 5 is good. In fact for a team with our budget and aspirations, I would say that is very poor."
"4-4-2 Please"
"I worry that we are being found out!"
"4-3-3 isn't getting the best out of our players"
"Maybe less hoofing and a bit more of the midfield would not go amiss"
"The wins are getting uglier and more difficult to force"
"4-3-3 is limiting our opportunities to really put teams to the sword, and I would like a return to 4-4-2"
"What worries me is our away form caused mainly by the silly 4-3-3 system"
"horribly narrow 4-3-3"
"Totally agree. 433 is fine at home but away the midfield tends to be bypassed. Plus because we have so little width we resort to hoofing it"
Wilder's Rant.
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There's an enormous difference between questioning the formation on a message board and booing at games."ty cobb" wrote:Having been away for the weekend I missed the game and the rant but having listened to it I agree with him there has been a creeping sense of moaning not least on this board in the last couple of weeks - quotes below. We are 8 points clear if we win our game in hand. Fantastic stuff and I totally agree with him, enjoy it and stop picking holes in what has been a table topping team and formation. There were boos at Crawley at half time and I can't believe there were boos at the end against Ebbsfleet after getting four goals.
"I wouldn't say that winning only 2 from 5 is good. In fact for a team with our budget and aspirations, I would say that is very poor."
"4-4-2 Please"
"I worry that we are being found out!"
"4-3-3 isn't getting the best out of our players"
"Maybe less hoofing and a bit more of the midfield would not go amiss"
"The wins are getting uglier and more difficult to force"
"4-3-3 is limiting our opportunities to really put teams to the sword, and I would like a return to 4-4-2"
"What worries me is our away form caused mainly by the silly 4-3-3 system"
"horribly narrow 4-3-3"
"Totally agree. 433 is fine at home but away the midfield tends to be bypassed. Plus because we have so little width we resort to hoofing it"
Agree, but just look at Zamora - players and management often read forums, in fact they'd be stupid not to - a free way of getting customer feedback.
After a lot of negativity on here and I would imagine TiU I would imagine the booing on Sat was the straw that broke the camels back, Wilder must wonder what on Earth he has to do.
After a lot of negativity on here and I would imagine TiU I would imagine the booing on Sat was the straw that broke the camels back, Wilder must wonder what on Earth he has to do.
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"A lot of negativity on here"?"ty cobb" wrote:Agree, but just look at Zamora - players and management often read forums, in fact they'd be stupid not to - a free way of getting customer feedback.
After a lot of negativity on here and I would imagine TiU I would imagine the booing on Sat was the straw that broke the camels back, Wilder must wonder what on Earth he has to do.
You need to get out more.
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For someone who lives in Godalming I find that a bit rich."GodalmingYellow" wrote:"A lot of negativity on here"?"ty cobb" wrote:Agree, but just look at Zamora - players and management often read forums, in fact they'd be stupid not to - a free way of getting customer feedback.
After a lot of negativity on here and I would imagine TiU I would imagine the booing on Sat was the straw that broke the camels back, Wilder must wonder what on Earth he has to do.
You need to get out more.
Did you not notice the long list of quotes I used to back up my point - you wrote quite a few of them, you should have recognised them. A number on this board have been griping at the formation and the style of football being used of late.
I say why change a winning formula, you say 5 points clear with a game in hand isn't good enough, the answer is 4-4-2. I have yet to work out what the question is though.
Is it what was the formation that got us relegated from the football league?
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What debate? Whether we should be playing 4-4-2? I don't listen to RadOx except over the net on a matchday. I've heard Bill Heine often enough to know that he knows absolutely nothing about football though. Literally zero."Baboo" wrote:I don't think Rad Ox keeping the debate going is particularly sensible. Bill Heine last night - I turned off.
I tend to agree with Mally. Internet forums exist for people to argue about things like this. There's a huge difference between questioning Wilder's formation on here and booing at the games. Anyone who audibly boos us at the moment wants to have a serious word with themselves, though.
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I’ll second that comment - and not just because I know Mally a tiny bit (and what he does for a living)."Mally" wrote:There's an enormous difference between questioning the formation on a message board and booing at games."ty cobb" wrote:Having been away for the weekend I missed the game and the rant but having listened to it I agree with him there has been a creeping sense of moaning not least on this board in the last couple of weeks - quotes below. We are 8 points clear if we win our game in hand. Fantastic stuff and I totally agree with him, enjoy it and stop picking holes in what has been a table topping team and formation. There were boos at Crawley at half time and I can't believe there were boos at the end against Ebbsfleet after getting four goals.
"I wouldn't say that winning only 2 from 5 is good. In fact for a team with our budget and aspirations, I would say that is very poor."
"4-4-2 Please"
"I worry that we are being found out!"
"4-3-3 isn't getting the best out of our players"
"Maybe less hoofing and a bit more of the midfield would not go amiss"
"The wins are getting uglier and more difficult to force"
"4-3-3 is limiting our opportunities to really put teams to the sword, and I would like a return to 4-4-2"
"What worries me is our away form caused mainly by the silly 4-3-3 system"
"horribly narrow 4-3-3"
"Totally agree. 433 is fine at home but away the midfield tends to be bypassed. Plus because we have so little width we resort to hoofing it"
Being positive and optimistic is key to getting out of Division V this season for a lot of supporters. Us fans have to bite our lips now and again over the last few years because we should never have got to where we are because of the crap way the club has been run in relatively recent years.
And even if we do Up and get to the promised land (i.e. back on the Pools Coupon) then I’ll still be nagging away about what a false Pyramid position we are in.
For me, the real test for Wilder (before he goes off to a bigger club, whenever that is) will be the starting XI on Saturday.
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Can't agree."Snake" wrote:I’ll second that comment - and not just because I know Mally a tiny bit (and what he does for a living)."Mally" wrote:There's an enormous difference between questioning the formation on a message board and booing at games."ty cobb" wrote:Having been away for the weekend I missed the game and the rant but having listened to it I agree with him there has been a creeping sense of moaning not least on this board in the last couple of weeks - quotes below. We are 8 points clear if we win our game in hand. Fantastic stuff and I totally agree with him, enjoy it and stop picking holes in what has been a table topping team and formation. There were boos at Crawley at half time and I can't believe there were boos at the end against Ebbsfleet after getting four goals.
"I wouldn't say that winning only 2 from 5 is good. In fact for a team with our budget and aspirations, I would say that is very poor."
"4-4-2 Please"
"I worry that we are being found out!"
"4-3-3 isn't getting the best out of our players"
"Maybe less hoofing and a bit more of the midfield would not go amiss"
"The wins are getting uglier and more difficult to force"
"4-3-3 is limiting our opportunities to really put teams to the sword, and I would like a return to 4-4-2"
"What worries me is our away form caused mainly by the silly 4-3-3 system"
"horribly narrow 4-3-3"
"Totally agree. 433 is fine at home but away the midfield tends to be bypassed. Plus because we have so little width we resort to hoofing it"
Being positive and optimistic is key to getting out of Division V this season for a lot of supporters. Us fans have to bite our lips now and again over the last few years because we should never have got to where we are because of the crap way the club has been run in relatively recent years.
And even if we do Up and get to the promised land (i.e. back on the Pools Coupon) then I’ll still be nagging away about what a false Pyramid position we are in.
For me, the real test for Wilder (before he goes off to a bigger club, whenever that is) will be the starting XI on Saturday.
Surely the 'real test' is to get through a tough Christmas with three out of next four away from home relatively unscathed. 8 point haul would be good.
The worst thing about all this is that if we were ManUre with a 5 point lead and a game in hand most of their fans would consider the league done and dusted.
Whereas, all of us to a man (or woman) is just waiting for it all to go wrong. Again.
Please God (or Wilder, however is higher) don't let it happen again!!
Whereas, all of us to a man (or woman) is just waiting for it all to go wrong. Again.
Please God (or Wilder, however is higher) don't let it happen again!!
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Hell hath no fury like a Duffy lover scorned. Take a chill pill Ty."ty cobb" wrote:For someone who lives in Godalming I find that a bit rich."GodalmingYellow" wrote:"A lot of negativity on here"?"ty cobb" wrote:Agree, but just look at Zamora - players and management often read forums, in fact they'd be stupid not to - a free way of getting customer feedback.
After a lot of negativity on here and I would imagine TiU I would imagine the booing on Sat was the straw that broke the camels back, Wilder must wonder what on Earth he has to do.
You need to get out more.
Did you not notice the long list of quotes I used to back up my point - you wrote quite a few of them, you should have recognised them. A number on this board have been griping at the formation and the style of football being used of late.
I say why change a winning formula, you say 5 points clear with a game in hand isn't good enough, the answer is 4-4-2. I have yet to work out what the question is though.
Is it what was the formation that got us relegated from the football league?
Of course I recognised my quotes, and when read in context, it is just regular football debate. No negativity at all.
Just to put your obviously troubled mind at rest, I wouldn't swap Wilder for literally any other manager in the country at the moment. However, that doesn't mean that the sun shines from his rear end and everything he says and does has to be agreed with. And equally, suggesting alternatives to what he does and commenting on less than perfect play by our team, is simply football debate and nothing more.
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Agreed, but some Duffy lovers can't tell the difference apparently."Kernow Yellow" wrote:What debate? Whether we should be playing 4-4-2? I don't listen to RadOx except over the net on a matchday. I've heard Bill Heine often enough to know that he knows absolutely nothing about football though. Literally zero."Baboo" wrote:I don't think Rad Ox keeping the debate going is particularly sensible. Bill Heine last night - I turned off.
I tend to agree with Mally. Internet forums exist for people to argue about things like this. There's a huge difference between questioning Wilder's formation on here and booing at the games. Anyone who audibly boos us at the moment wants to have a serious word with themselves, though.
Wow take a chill pill - it's been some years since I've been told to do that.
Also good to see that some people can't have a debate without raking up old ground, maybe I should bring up the amusing argument of OUFC should buy up a load of property at the height of the housing boom.
Personally I don't think that it was just a couple of boos/cat calls on Sat that caused Wilder to lose his rag. If I was him and read this board and saw comments that my winning top of the league formation was "horrible" "silly" resorts to us "hoofing" and that our recent form is "very poor" I would begin to question the sanity and expectations of the support.
We are a negative fan base, always have been - Horton and Smith often faced calls to resign despite doing a excellent job - I thought we had turned the corner because we had finally accepted that we were a average non league team and everyone had clubbed together to move forward as a club, and getting a win at this level should not be expected, so if we didn't win we still got behind the lads.
We now seem to be slipping back into moans and groans - listen to some of the things shouted out on match days when a pass is misplaced.
Wilder wouldn't have commented on it if he didn't think it was an issue - yes comment on internet forums isn't the same as booing, but if quite frankly stupid calls for us to change a winning formation aren't challenged people will feel their view is the majority and will be far more likely to have a go when we lose a match.
On TiU Sandwitch often comes in for a lot of complaints, I think this then results in people feeling they are far more justified in booing him or shouting at him if he's having a poor game instead of getting behind him, supporting him (as we should do) and getting his confidence up, instead of running him down which doesn't do OUFC one bit of good.
To think that negativity on a forum isn't unoticed by players and management at the club is somewhat naive.
Also good to see that some people can't have a debate without raking up old ground, maybe I should bring up the amusing argument of OUFC should buy up a load of property at the height of the housing boom.
Personally I don't think that it was just a couple of boos/cat calls on Sat that caused Wilder to lose his rag. If I was him and read this board and saw comments that my winning top of the league formation was "horrible" "silly" resorts to us "hoofing" and that our recent form is "very poor" I would begin to question the sanity and expectations of the support.
We are a negative fan base, always have been - Horton and Smith often faced calls to resign despite doing a excellent job - I thought we had turned the corner because we had finally accepted that we were a average non league team and everyone had clubbed together to move forward as a club, and getting a win at this level should not be expected, so if we didn't win we still got behind the lads.
We now seem to be slipping back into moans and groans - listen to some of the things shouted out on match days when a pass is misplaced.
Wilder wouldn't have commented on it if he didn't think it was an issue - yes comment on internet forums isn't the same as booing, but if quite frankly stupid calls for us to change a winning formation aren't challenged people will feel their view is the majority and will be far more likely to have a go when we lose a match.
On TiU Sandwitch often comes in for a lot of complaints, I think this then results in people feeling they are far more justified in booing him or shouting at him if he's having a poor game instead of getting behind him, supporting him (as we should do) and getting his confidence up, instead of running him down which doesn't do OUFC one bit of good.
To think that negativity on a forum isn't unoticed by players and management at the club is somewhat naive.
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What on Earth are you going on about, raking up old ground? Get a grip. And I told you to take a chill pill a few months ago - advice you clearly didn't listen to...(set fuse, strike match, retreat and wait for the bang)."ty cobb" wrote:Wow take a chill pill - it's been some years since I've been told to do that.
Also good to see that some people can't have a debate without raking up old ground, maybe I should bring up the amusing argument of OUFC should buy up a load of property at the height of the housing boom.
Personally I don't think that it was just a couple of boos/cat calls on Sat that caused Wilder to lose his rag. If I was him and read this board and saw comments that my winning top of the league formation was "horrible" "silly" resorts to us "hoofing" and that our recent form is "very poor" I would begin to question the sanity and expectations of the support.
We are a negative fan base, always have been - Horton and Smith often faced calls to resign despite doing a excellent job - I thought we had turned the corner because we had finally accepted that we were a average non league team and everyone had clubbed together to move forward as a club, and getting a win at this level should not be expected, so if we didn't win we still got behind the lads.
We now seem to be slipping back into moans and groans - listen to some of the things shouted out on match days when a pass is misplaced.
Wilder wouldn't have commented on it if he didn't think it was an issue - yes comment on internet forums isn't the same as booing, but if quite frankly stupid calls for us to change a winning formation aren't challenged people will feel their view is the majority and will be far more likely to have a go when we lose a match.
On TiU Sandwitch often comes in for a lot of complaints, I think this then results in people feeling they are far more justified in booing him or shouting at him if he's having a poor game instead of getting behind him, supporting him (as we should do) and getting his confidence up, instead of running him down which doesn't do OUFC one bit of good.
To think that negativity on a forum isn't unoticed by players and management at the club is somewhat naive.
I'm quite happy to do the property issue again if you really want to. You might even understand it this time! (set another fuse, light another match, retreat, you know the procedure)
You're wrong that we are a negative support base. Not only is ours not unduly negative, it is little different from other clubs. The issue is that you are having difficulty distinguishing between negativity are football debate.
Brian Horton and Denis Smith did get unfair stick, as do managers up and down the country every Saturday. There was much less information in the public domain in those days, so as supporters we only had a small idea of what was going on behind the scenes. With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, and the additional information we now have access to, Horton and Smith would have been defended bythe majority rather than be abused by them.
Sandwich gets criticism because sometimes he doesn't play very well. Not for any other reason. If he was a star player every week, he would get praise every week. Yours is a nonsense argument.
You seem to think that the only way to improve a team is to be perpetually positive. People don't work like that, and that method doesn't work if used all the time. Sometimes you gee people up when they need a lift, sometimes you give them a kick up the backside when they need reminding of their responsibilities. Nothing wrong with that at all.